Saturday 29 September 2007

Majid misquotes again!

In his reliance on revisionist scholarship he has fallen foul again. Majid when will you stop misquoting?

Here is the passages of concern

"A number of Islamic scholars from past centuries, such as the two Tabi'in (followers of the companions) Ibrahim al-Naka’i and Sufyan al-Thawri and also Abul Walid al-Baji are all reported to have held that apostasy is a serious sin, but not one that requires the death penalty. It is narrated by Sufyan al-Thawri that Ibrahim al-Nakhai'i was of the view that the apostate is not killed, rather his repentance is continuously sought. Sufyan al-Thawri then said, “This is the view that we take” (al-San'ani, abd al-Raziq, 'al-Mussannaf' vol. 10, page 166). "

Subhanallah al3a al jahal al murakab! This is what we actually have. In the same reference we have the words " al-murtadu yustatabu abadan" which means that the apostate gets an indefinite number of chances to repent. What is the position of Ibrahim Al Nakha'i on someone who refuses to repent? Here let me quote him

" The male murtadd is summoned to repent and if he repents he is left alone, otherwise he is put to death" (Abu Yusuf Kitab al Kharaj, number 180) and again in the Musnaaff of Abdul Razzaq 10:176

" The female murtada is summoned to re-embrace Islam and if she surrenders she is left alone, but if she refuses she is put to death" (Abu Yusuf. Aathaar no 161, and also Ibn Abi shayba 2:137)

Bil Lahi Aleek Ya Majid I am starting to feel sorry for you now! No fresh chapter here just a rehash of revisionist scholarship in the garb of "traditionalism".

Sufyan al Thawri in ths sources of note has an even stricter position. He only allows the apostate to repent three times.

The same follows for all the other scholars quoted including Ibn Hazm and Al-Baji. Really I couldnt be bothered. For the position of Ibn Hazm, I will be more then happy to provide references. It is not in Hadaad's article but I promise you he does not hold the position that Majid claims he does

Here is Hadaad's refutation. I have also at home other standard works which confirm the readings that Hadaad has mentioned. Hadaad again makes mistakes occasionally but generally I have found him to be accurate

http://www.livingislam.org/k/cfei_e.html

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Brother please can you refute the misquotes in the following blog regarding this issue, it seems Maajid and his friends are copying and pasting from this:

http://apostasyandislam.blogspot.com/

Ibn Adam said...

Jazakallah khairan. Will look into the site.